He and his brother, Dawes drummer Griffin Goldsmith, discuss that with the Cafe’s Michaela Majoun, as well as look back on the success of their last disc Nothing is Wrong and their turning point tour with Mumford & Sons. And Milk Carton Kids. The duo of Kenneth Pattengale and Joey Ryan gave away their first albums for free, but with their new one The Ash & Clay, they have signed to ANTI-Records and tried the more traditional approach. They talk about the reasons behind both decisions, and why their partnership can be compared to a marriage. That’s this week on Conversations from the World Cafe!